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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Blovski on Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:59 pm

Had a bloodmage run waiting in VHOS. Decided to run a Gnome with Consensus so as not to have anything reductive around. Anyway, first run was a beautiful Dwarven Gauntlets + Alchemist's Scroll, and Drac on the board and ended with a miserable misclick. Sad times. Second was a pure (late conversion in) Taurog Gnome Bloodmage, also with the Alchemist's Scroll. Went astoundingly well. Really enjoyed the health/restore build.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby mvb on Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:22 am

Took the VT through the last of the regular vicious dungeons (ie not VGT).
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Note the unorthodox deity prep for a warlord :) .
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Tinker on Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:42 am

mvb wrote:Took the VT through the last of the regular vicious dungeons (ie not VGT).

Note the unorthodox deity prep for a warlord :) .

Really nice! Impressive amount of DPs you could coat yourself in, thanks to Namtar's and warlord CYDSTEPP!

Also, really nice how you killed first demon lord at L5, it's not straightforward to do so even without the VT, let alone with it! I luv your L5-7 kills :)

Also, nice bit of luck with the other two altars & secret sub! ;)

Also, cool idea how you poured the notoriously high amount of DL gold into TT piety, making the punishments from fighting Avatar in TT a non-issue when you regen-fought it. Would swapping into Binlor not be a viable alternative, given how he can give you a few shots of Stoneskin (and Avatar does physical damage)?
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby mvb on Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:16 am

Tinker wrote:
mvb wrote:Took the VT through the last of the regular vicious dungeons (ie not VGT).

Note the unorthodox deity prep for a warlord :) .

Really nice! Impressive amount of DPs you could coat yourself in, thanks to Namtar's and warlord CYDSTEPP!

Also, really nice how you killed first demon lord at L5, it's not straightforward to do so even without the VT, let alone with it! I luv your L5-7 kills :)

Also, nice bit of luck with the other two altars & secret sub! ;)

Also, cool idea how you poured the notoriously high amount of DD gold into TT piety, making the punishments from fighting Avatar in TT a non-issue when you regen-fought it. Would swapping into Binlor not be a viable alternative, given how he can give you a few shots of Stoneskin (and Avatar does physical damage)?


Thanks! Yeah I definitely lucked out quite a bit, not just with the secret sub (and finding it early) and altars but with shop items as well.

As you say, Namtar's with the warlord gives an incredible amount of death protections. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to afford both mystic balance and refreshment and also switch to TT, so I only took refreshment. This is fine though with 14 mana because then you can cast cydstepp, convert a glyph, and cast another cydstepp. I made sure to use the schadenfreude potions early so I could use mana potions to get more damage and knock resists off the avatar.

I definitely could have converted into Binlor at the end if I hadn't desecrated both altars. The plan was always to stay in Tikki Tooki, mostly just to prove that I could get away with combining his potions with a bunch of death protections to kill the boss. I had so much piety in him that he never punished me but in theory his punishment shouldn't be so bad if you are fighting only one boss and do a lot of damage. You may have to double up on dodge potions to use them up before he punishes you. Unfortunately I think his punishment makes you lose any dodge you have. I don't know how it works with the double strike potions.

I actually misplayed the avatar fight; if you look at the numbers I don't have enough health to tank a hit and regen fight him. I should have leveled to 10 before descending. My plan was to weaken one of his clones through indirect knockback, and use it to level, but with VT health totals this is a bad idea. Still, I won!
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby William on Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:41 pm

I wish some of the veterans would post more of their crazy stunts. I tried out the lvl 1 Rat Monarch killing a lvl 10 boss idea from a few pages back. Worked like a charm under the right conditions. I wonder if a lvl 1 RM win is possible in VT VHOS.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Tinker on Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:22 pm

William wrote:I wish some of the veterans would post more of their crazy stunts. I tried out the lvl 1 Rat Monarch killing a lvl 10 boss idea from a few pages back. Worked like a charm under the right conditions. I wonder if a lvl 1 RM win is possible in VT VHOS.

I think it is: http://www.qcfdesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3018&start=621
(actually, just last page... VHOS+VT L1 RM double bosskill :P )
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby William on Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:59 pm

Mmm... so VT VHOS is too easy. Maybe a nice annotated playthrough of VT VGT. :)
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Tinker on Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:00 pm

William wrote:Mmm... so VT VHOS is too easy. Maybe a nice annotated playthrough of VT VGT. :)

Some guys are just soo hard to satisfy! :P

Anyway, not "annotated", but knowing VGT there's not much to annotate... But here's how I did it: http://www.qcfdesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3018&start=591 (btw carbon copy of what Astral did...)

And if you have your eye on VGT... 2 more things:
Wiki page is pretty cool: http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Tower_of_Gaan-Telet (it's still one entry with basic GT, might be split in the future if time permits :) )
VGT tracker is absolutely totally indispensable: http://rule0.com/DesktopDungeons/VgtTracker.html#
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Tinker on Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:59 am

So this is more to the "general purpose" part, not so much the "bragging" part, but I didn't want to create a new topic just yet and I wanted to share my test into Chaos Avatar giving XP.

So I did 2 test runs (very basic Eastern Tundra, no VT, Dwarf Tinker prepping JJ in both cases). I tried to play similarly, i.e. going for kills that only level me 1 level, and trying to slow everything (I managed to do that, except for 3-4 golems in both cases). I deliberately did not use IMAWAL/Alchemist Pact/Balanced Dagger/etc., to keep things simple.

Exhibit A: run where I *did not* take Chaos Avatar:
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I earned 266 total XP, 101 of which is bonus. The 101 bonus XP is thanks to 64 bonus from killing high-level monsters; and 37 thanks to killing monsters slowed. The (266-101=) 165 base XP is explainable by: 149 XP for the standard 38 monsters; +6 for Glenrick; +10 for Blahblah.

Exhibit B: run where I *did* take Chaos Avatar:
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I earned 324 total XP, 110 of which is bonus. The 110 bonus XP is thanks to 74 bonus from killing high-level monsters; and 36 thanks to killing monsters slowed. The (324-110=) 214 base XP is explainable by: 149 for the standard 38 monsters; +5 for the "free boosters" sub monster; +10 for Blahblah; and +50 XP for the Chaos Avatar I took at Level 10, at precisely 0/50 XP.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby mvb on Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:45 pm

This is strange, are we running different versions or something? Or maybe it works differently if you take it at a high level.

I did two quick bloodmage runs, both times killing the boss at lvl 4:
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There's 38 bonus xp, which is 32 from the boss, 2 from the first kill, and 4 from slowed monsters.
I leveled up to 3, which 15 xp, then used chaos avatar for no xp, then killed the boss for 10+32=42, for a total of 57 xp.

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Here there's more bonus xp, because I killed more monsters (most of whom were slowed). But the total is 72 xp, accounting for the missing 15 to get from 3 to 4. I earned 30 xp levelling up to 4, then killed the boss for another 42, landing me at 72 xp.

Later today I'll try taking CA at level 10 and see if that makes a difference.
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