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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby eastless on Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:04 am

Hello there, and first of all I'm so sorry about my 'english', I'm russian and had no practice, I can read and understand mostly of your messages but it is really hard for me to speak, all I have is google translate and some knowledge from school. There is no russian community of this pure fantastic awesome perfect funniest and balanced ever game, so I just need to start posting here so I can bragging too, and sharing expirience, discuss ideas, so on. I didn't actually have official version of the game, I stole this via pirate bay, and I hope you guys wouldn't despite me for this, still I have most of the content, means most of fun, missing only Chemist, Rat Monarh and daileis, which are as I understand a huge piece of fun also. Anyway, I'll surely buy it asap, but I have to socialize right now. (And I can improve my enslish skills which is good.)

Unfortunately, I can't make screenshots and I hope someone can help me fix this problem. I used to play on Windows XP lately and could make screenshots easily, but now on Windows 10 I just can't make them. So I need your help, and then I could sharing and bragging.

I wanted to share my flawless victory over Horatio in VGT with Vampire in Platemale with HALMEH and Balanced Dagger, but after last two submitted here victories this is not so impressive, I could even manage VT If I knew it would be so perfectly lucky run. Anyway, now I'm thinking about few more runs in there, (like Dracul Paladin with prepd DS and scum for Vampiric Blade so don't hit descrease resist cap, problem is you will lose piety for using HALPMEH, _but_ you can stao on zero piety, I'm wondering how could it work, anyway I still have to unlock Vampiric Blade and Agnostic Collar first) and wish to share my feelings in future. :)
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby William on Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:06 pm

All these VGT posts have made me almost try another run in it. I have only beaten it with a Vampire so far. What approach do you guys use with other classes, specifically when it comes to God worshipping/switching?
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Tinker on Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:36 pm

sitnaltax wrote:Interesting quirk: My screenshot reads "Victory in Vicious Gaan-Talet as a Vampire!" Tinker's reads "Victory in Vicious Gaan-Talet as a Vampire Vampire!" Is this a platform difference? (I'm running the Steam version on PC.)

Me too... Maybe it's been patched in the meantime?

William wrote:All these VGT posts have made me almost try another run in it. I have only beaten it with a Vampire so far. What approach do you guys use with other classes, specifically when it comes to God worshipping/switching?

What I've been doing (building on the strat Astral posted a while back) is Taurog -> GG -> Dracul, and only taking Body Pact when I see how many hits are left (i.e. so as to avoid over-spending on resists).

Standard preps: Dragon Shield / Perseverance Badge / Taurog / Compression Seal / Extra Attack Boosters / Patches the Teddy / Apothecary / potion kit: Health Potion / Burn Salve / Fortitude Tonic / Whuppaz

I've found it remarkably useful to use Sitnaltax's VGT Tracker: http://www.qcfdesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3236
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby William on Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:02 pm

Tinker wrote:What I've been doing (building on the strat Astral posted a while back) is Taurog -> GG -> Dracul, and only taking Body Pact when I see how many hits are left (i.e. so as to avoid over-spending on resists).

I'm guessing Taurog for initial kills to get Sword and Shield, then GG while leveling and then Dracul for blood draining etc?
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Tinker on Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:21 pm

William wrote:I'm guessing Taurog for initial kills to get Sword and Shield, then GG while leveling and then Dracul for blood draining etc?

Well, almost! :)

There are 4 key things to VGT (and btw a little angel, or better said several little angels, wrote it all up on the wiki, just saying). You need physical resistance; sanguine; damage; and a way to deal with afflictions. Taurog is key to give you Taurog's Will, that gives you 15% pr; sword/shield/helm are optional, if GG comes late, you might as well get the boons, even if you just leave most of his stuff on the floor, the +5% damage helps (and you'll get +5 mana from GG anyway). GG then yes for leveling and key here is Humility (it's +5 base damage / +14 health for a measly 15 piety); also because you can get a bit of extra health if you take a couple of shots of Absolution (don't overdo it lest you run out of curse-clearing popcorn); and because Cleansing serves a double-purpose, clearing away all those nasty afflictions AND helping you pierce phsy.res. of Goos/Illusion. Especially if GG comes early, Enlightenment is no downside +5 Mana with some other minor perks if you have a couple of beads already. Finally, Dracul for getting Blood Shield (if you still need resists) and to get a shot of Blood Tithe or three (to benefit from all those blood pools lying around).

Don't jump into Body Pact even if you're missing resists. 2 ways to go about it. Either take it when you know you have X monsters left who'll it you, and you're X % shy of the cap; or don't take it at all, and instead save Pactmaker for a Consensus (it can help a lot). Also, dear Earthmother usually suffers a bit of desecration just before drinking the final Burn Salve (ideally already after converting over to Dracul, because his piety is the least abundant and most precious on VGT).
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby William on Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:43 pm

I wasn't as efficient as I could have been, but I managed VT VGT with a cheaty Vampire. ;)

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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby sitnaltax on Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:32 am

Congrats! The Bridge Troll/Sensation Stone floor being last is rough luck for a Vampire. But that Balanced dagger makes getting off the ground easier.

To add to what Tinker said about VGT: I think characters need a fifth thing, which is a way to deal with H's 50% resists. This can be either Martyr Wraps (my favorite); BYCEPPS (leave it on the ground until the last fight); the Piercing Wand, which is mana-intensive but OK; or just having a ton of extra resources.

I don't get as fancy as Tinker or Astral with gods; for most of my VGT wins, I just did Taurog->Drac. I rarely take Body Pact since you get 53% resists even with no Patches hits, and having Consensus available is a comfort. If you need a second desecration to get the last boon to push you over the edge, Tikki Tooki is usually a reasonable choice.

(Body Pact is great if you go monotheist Drac)

Rogue, Wizard, Sorcerer, Berserker, and Paladin would be my choices for easiest non-Vampire VGT classes, with Thief and Fighter behind. Monk is also very good but plays differently. For all non-Rogues, I prefer Orcs.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby William on Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:17 am

sitnaltax wrote:Congrats! The Bridge Troll/Sensation Stone floor being last is rough luck for a Vampire. But that Balanced dagger makes getting off the ground easier.


Surprisingly enough, the bridge troll gave me no problems; I wasn't taking any damage (or extremely little for some) from the enemies on the last two levels unless they were bloodless. My biggest durp on this run was ignoring the shield in the shop for some weird reason, which meant Horatio damaged me during berserk. I lucked out with getting platemail too. The only potions I used were a few mana potions initially to save some health by finishing mobs with fireballs. I am quite excited to try some other classes though. You will notice that I took the run slowly, as in 89 minutes slow. ;)
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby eastless on Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:30 am

Just finished a ridiculously epic lucky run in Doubledoom (PQI Cheeky Gnome Tinker).
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Both ENDISWAL and BURNDAYRAZ near stairs. First shop free boots. Tricky Mystera was hiding behind the walls. Three shops are: Platemale, Battlemage Ring and (rofl) Orb of Zot.
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Bloodpool used to be L4 Warlock blocking my way to the golden subdungeon. Yeah, killing that L1 serpent was too hard, you know, poison and stuff. Unfortunately no IMAWAL, but CYDESTEPP is even better. Here I'm talking to this L9 Warlock, and he begs me not to kill him.
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Then I realized I can kick Goo's ass. These two shops to the left are also Midas and Dragon Soul. Vicious luck.
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May be I should go VT, but then it would be spoons and other triswords.
Did some math also and it seems like I could kill Goo at level 1, but without Codex, and it was not guaranteed, Tormented Soul could be easily.

Also, here's my previous VHoS Purist Tinker run.
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Did it without Platemail or EM. Leveling was pure pain, even with 2 Health Boosts and dagger (but desecrated Taurog helped with early Petition), popcorn subdungeon hepled a lot with i-dont-wanna-die guy, though there was no other way but to use Chaos Avatar during this fight, and Burn Salve after. Then I exploded at the signpost on purpose (my first time) and yay! Got another compression seal (didn't use both) and Schadenfreude (used to fuel BYSSEPS, pretty sure it was necessary). Converted to Dracul exactly at 50 piety (hardly got this), desecrated JJ so got 5 indulgencies (number of my health potions), got Blood Curse and Shield, but no lifesteal, two shots of Tithe, drunk every bloodpool, used two swells and won. Also, there was unreachable room in the middle, so Blah Blah could blink there and survive, I was so afraid of it.

...twelve hours later, lying in bed, I realized that I could use Taurog's shield to kill first boss.



Today I beated VHoS with Vampire.
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It was third try, (first with Dragon Shield and second with Dwarven Gauntlets, both seemed impossible) and again I killed Indomitable without damage reducing (started fight at 6 level, because couldn't find this L6 Wraith), though there was Platemale, and even Whurrgarbl, and even blacksmith subdungeon (used Bear Mace on last hits), but I spend my gold on Badge to finish L8 Wraith, lacked 1 point of damage (then used Badge at some point to get inventory slot, and then at some another point SUDDENLY noticed that I have no Death Protection - wasted this somehow and did not even notice). But then Platemale was definately the only choice to spend Indomitable's cash.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby William on Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:49 pm

eastless wrote:Just finished a ridiculously epic lucky run in Doubledoom (PQI Cheeky Gnome Tinker).


Nice run! Orb of Zot really helps with those high level kills.
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