Extreme South Discussion Thread

[The Avatar]

The spawn requirement for a secret subdungeon (once they’ve been unlocked) is a wall surrounded entirely by other walls. If at least one instance of this occurs, the game chooses one of those spots at random and replaces it with a secret subdungeon. Almost every single layout consistently does (most of them) or doesn’t (labyrinth) produce a valid location for spawning one. However, the ‘messy’ tileset used in Scrapyard, Mines, and Hexx can go either way. It almost always does not generate one, but in rare instances a 2x2 block of walls can spawn in a corner, causing that corner to spawn a secret subdungeon. The unique layout of Forsaken Temple, a scaled back version of HHoS generation, works the opposite way: It usually spawns a secret subdungeon (typically due to a 2x2 block in the corner), but occasionally it does not (when none of those 2x2 blocks generate, as well as no other valid spots along the edges).

[berpdreyfuss]

[General_Milky]

Ding!Max Ancient Scrapyard is super easy as a Goblin. If you get JJ/Dracul, well, it's downright trivial.

[berpdreyfuss]

[shade_of_ox]

Shadow Bog is actually destroying me. It's pretty hard if you're not running a specialized build, I find.

My apothecaries keep sinking

[dislekcia]

Wait, what?! People can make their own puzzles? HTF did y'all get that right?

[The Avatar]

By limiting it, essentially. We may add more functionality if the feature proves popular, but for now it’s basic. You can only design solo-troll puzzles, you can only save and load them in the context of the maker itself (as opposed to generating a puzzle you can select from the Explorer’s Guild menu), and you can only share them manually.

As for the more literal how, a series of items that generate everything you might need to make one, including four terrain types, five troll types, potions and cracked soul orbs (to restore fighter DP), glyphs you can pick up, and save/load functionality to capture/reset the puzzle once made/played. As a minor convenience note, all the generation items are click to use and click again to unselect (unlike normal glyphs, that unselect after use) to make it much less of a hassle to design complex maps. It’s not a perfect system, and it’s not everything it could be (yet), but it works quite well as a starting point for user-designed puzzles.

[dislekcia]

That's pretty ingenious

We'd always planned to make a puzzle editor for the game, glad there's a way for players to stump each other.

[berpdreyfuss]

Ok, I am stuck at the Warmonger with Tinker in the Hidden Workshop. I am trying early conversions with a Taurog Orc but I can only get about four hits on one boss, it clearly isn't enough. Any hints on how to go about this one?

[shade_of_ox]

I did it with resist stacking with Dragon Shield + Taurog + Dracul + Tower Shield and poison, I think. Pretty overkill, but what can you do? Yendor is also a fairly easy win.

Human works better for damage than Orc, especially if you're going Taurog. You should be looking for Fine Sword and Cursed Cutlass (if you have the Cutlass unlocked, that is) and Keg of Health. Fight Lavavein early. You can take Goodusa later if you find a way to strip resists.