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 ;{{a|ADDITIVES}}: Start with {{s|BYSSEPS}}. Successive {{s|BYSSEPS}} casts stack, gives +1 base damage on top of the normal +30% attack bonus, and double in cost
 ;{{a|PRESERVATIVES}}: One more potion shop
-;{{a|COLOURANTS}}: Health and Mana potions only restore 10% of your health instead of the usual 40%. Drinking a health or mana potion puts you in a form with double regeneration based on that potions type, but will also prevent you from regenerating the other. Your form resets to normal on level up (or when you drink any potion)
+;{{a|COLOURANTS}}: Health and Mana potions only restore 10% (20% in ''Rewind'') of your health instead of the usual 40%. Drinking a health or mana potion puts you in a form with double regeneration based on that potions type, but will also prevent you from regenerating the other. Your form resets to normal on level up (or when you drink any potion)
 |SuggestedRaces={{ElCh}}, {{OrCh}}
 |Unlock=Requires Enhanced Edition

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 |Traits=
 ;{{a|ADDITIVES}}: Start with {{s|BYSSEPS}}. Successive {{s|BYSSEPS}} casts stack, gives +1 base damage on top of the normal +30% attack bonus, and double in cost
-;{{a|PRESERVATIVES}}: More potion shops
+;{{a|PRESERVATIVES}}: One more potion shop
 ;{{a|COLOURANTS}}: Health and Mana potions only restore 10% of your health instead of the usual 40%. Drinking a health or mana potion puts you in a form with double regeneration based on that potions type, but will also prevent you from regenerating the other. Your form resets to normal on level up (or when you drink any potion)
 |SuggestedRaces={{ElCh}}, {{OrCh}}
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 == Unlocking ==
 The Chemist class requires the Enhanced Edition of Desktop Dungeons.
 You will find him in a medium sized sub dungeon surrounded by lava. Contains a passive creature called "A What?" which when talked to, simply says it wants you to retrieve something. A meatman of your current level is in the subdungeon and a few walls. Breaking/Mining/Destroying the walls will uncover an unidentified rock item. Pick it up and return it to "A What?" to complete the subdungeon. As a reward, this subdungeon unlocks the Chemist class for future play.
-== Races ==
+== Class Features ==
-=== Orc ===
+If you are planning to use this BYSSEPS a lot, {{r|Orc}} is your best choice here. Convert items early on to easily kill high-level foes.
-The Chemist can acquire a huge damage bonus very easily, even at level 1, so the {{OrCh}} is a no-brainer. Convert items early on to easily kill high-level foes.
-=== Goblin ===
+BYSSEPS stacking isn't quite as effective against bosses, though you should still use it for the first hit. Hopefully you'll get there with enough untouched popcorn for a mid-fight level up.
-The Chemist can't use health and mana potions to spike damage against a boss, so mid-fight level ups are very important. Still, the Orc is probably more useful.
-=== Elf ===
+Ideal glyphs for the Chemist are those which allow him to land two hits against an enemy he could otherwise only hit once; {{s|WEYTWUT}}, {{s|GETINDARE}} and {{s|CYDSTEPP}} (though again, beware your blackspace consumption). {{s|IMAWAL}} is also good since you want to score high-level kills early on. Any items which boost your health or base damage are valuable, especially early on. The {{i|Trisword}} and {{i|Alchemist Scroll}} are particularly good since your potions aren't very useful when killing the boss.
-With the {{ElCh}} you can go with full caster build. Join {{g|Mystera Annur}} or {{g|Jehora Jeheyu}} (you want mana boons and Chaos Avatar) with further conversion to {{g|Mystera Annur}}. You can convert {{s|BYSSEPS}} when you find {{s|BURNDAYRAZ}}. Mana mode is ideal for farming piety at L1. Save mana potions for boss fights to enable mana mode for 2x faster refilling your huge mana bar. If you happen to get {{i|Battlemage Ring}}, you could even mana-regen-fight bosses. Don't forget that on level ups and after drinking potions ({{i|Schadenfreude Potion}}, {{i|Can of Whupaz}}, etc) your mana mode is resetted to normal mode so you need all mana potions you can get your hands on.
-Avoid taking the {{r|Gnome}} or {{r|Halfling}}, because their extra potions won't help much against the boss.
+=== {{a|COLOURANTS}} ===
-== Strategy ==
+'''Health mode''' is like having 25% more effective {{s|HALPMEH}}, and is considerably weaker than {{c|Monk}}'s {{t|Fast regen}}. It is almost useless since the Chemist has nothing else that boosts regen fighting without spending mana. You have to achieve high resistances and strong attack to the health form be effective.
-Like the Warlord, the Chemist's bonuses are almost completely defined by one glyph, {{s|BYSSEPS}}. Spending six mana gives you a 60% bonus to your next attack, and if you spend another 8 mana you can make that 90%. Since all this mana can be recovered before combat starts, you can easily score higher-level kills against low-health monsters to level up. You can use it again for a second hit if you haven't found another damage glyph. Just be mindful of your blackspace consumption, and be careful not to waste your charged-up hit clearing popcorn out of your way. Consider killing some lower level enemies right after leveling up just to use up some of your spare health.
+'''Mana mode''' is like having {{s|BLUDTUPOWA}} with half blackspaces consuming. For a general hybrid character it's not very effective, and only HALPMEH can overcome this debuff without quaffing an another potion or leveling up. However, {{ElCh}} or {{GnCh}} makes a superior mage, even better than a {{c|Bloodmage}} if properly used. Because it uses only a half of blackspaces compared with BLUDTUPOWA, you can go a full regen-based caster build unlike the Bloodmage. {{GnCh}} plays a bit different than other Gnomes, as the {{i|Mana Potion}}s cannot spike the boss. You want to convert things along levelups so mana mode is turned on in nearly every level.
-BYSSEPS stacking isn't quite as effective against bosses, though you should still use it for the first hit. Hopefully you'll get there with enough untouched popcorn for a mid-fight level up.
+=== {{a|PRESERVATIVES}} ===
+If you are a caster, you will buy a {{i|Mana Potion}}. Other potions than health and mana potions, most notably the {{i|Schadenfreude Potion}}, still work as normal, and you'll be able to pick up extras. Similar to extra potion shops preperation you cannot buy two same potions from apothecaries.
-Ideal glyphs for the Chemist are those which allow him to land two hits against an enemy he could otherwise only hit once; {{s|WEYTWUT}}, {{s|GETINDARE}} and {{s|CYDSTEPP}} (though again, beware your blackspace consumption). {{s|IMAWAL}} is also good since you want to score high-level kills early on. Any items which boost your health or base damage are valuable, especially early on. The {{i|Trisword}} and {{i|Alchemist Scroll}} are particularly good since your potions aren't very useful when killing the boss.
-−
-Speaking of which, {{a|COLOURANTS}} is usually a weakness in disguise. Your health and mana potions are almost useless for spiking damage, and without good planning the alternate forms are a hinderance. Once your health or mana is regenerated to full the other one still won't regenerate at all, and the only way to get rid of it besides leveling up is to spend another potion to switch to the other form. Health form is almost useless since the Chemist has nothing else that boosts regen fighting without spending mana. Mana mode is a little more useful since the Chemist often wants to pump a lot of mana into {{s|BYSSEPS}} (and possibly {{s|CYDSTEPP}}) while his health is already full, but even then you should only use potions for the last big monster you kill before leveling up. Don't be afraid to just convert them to please deities or spend them early to power up items. Other potions, most notably the {{i|Schadenfreude Potion}}, still work as normal, and you'll be able to pick up extras thanks to {{a|PRESERVATIVES}}.
 == Deities ==
+{{g|Binlor Ironshield}}: He is a great god for {{OrCh}}. Unlike for everyone else, the {{t|Might}} from {{boon|Stone Form}} stacks with the might from your glyph, and does so without raising the cost of the {{s|BYSSEPS}}; this turns {{s|PISORF}} into an extra layer of might for only 4 mana on top of its damage abilities. {{boon|Stone Skin}} is also great for surviving extra hits to score high-level kills or finish off a boss, and PISORF gets enemies out of your path without wasting your {{t|Might}}. Since you have no natural resistances there's no need to keep your piety above zero; just cast {{s|PISORF}} or {{s|ENDISWAL}} a couple times whenever you want to buy a boon.
-{{g|Binlor Ironshield}}: Unlike for everyone else, the {{t|Might}} from {{boon|Stone Form}} stacks with the might from your glyph, and does so without raising the cost of the {{s|BYSSEPS}}; this turns {{s|PISORF}} into an extra layer of might for only 4 mana on top of its damage abilities. {{boon|Stone Skin}} is also great for surviving extra hits to score high-level kills or finish off a boss, and {{s|PISORF}} gets enemies out of your path without wasting your {{t|Might}}. Since you have no natural resistances there's no need to keep your piety above zero; just cast {{s|PISORF}} or {{s|ENDISWAL}} a couple times whenever you want to buy a boon.
 {{g|Glowing Guardian}}, {{g|Dracul}}, {{g|Jehora Jeheyu}}: Since your potions won't do you much good against the boss, the health and mana restoration boons from these deities are especially valuable. Converting your potions for piety, Jehora's early boons and to avoid their dislikes isn't a big loss. {{boon|Cleansing}} can also let you apply your great physical might into kills against physical-resistant enemies (especially high level {{m|Wraith}}s); combine it with fireballs rather than going for a second hit.
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 {{g|Tikki Tooki}}: Since the Chemist likes to kill high level enemies in 2-3 hits and can afford to ignore a lot of popcorn, you shouldn't have much trouble gaining piety with Tikki Tooki and most of his boons will be pretty useful. {{boon|Reflexes}} is especially good since health potions are otherwise nearly useless, though the second hit from the {{i|Reflex Potion}} won't have any levels of might.
-{{g|Mystera Annur}}: The only boons she offers that a Chemist would want are Magic and Refreshement, and even those aren't ideal unless the boss is very resistant to physical damage. Still, you'll be spending lots of mana as you explore so piety gain is easy.
+{{g|Mystera Annur}}: Full caster approach will take {{g|Mystera Annur}}, or {{g|Jehora Jeheyu}} (you want mana boons and Chaos Avatar) with further conversion to Mystera. You can convert {{s|BYSSEPS}} when you find {{s|BURNDAYRAZ}}. Mana mode is ideal for farming piety at L1. Save mana potions for boss fights to enable mana mode for 2x faster refilling your mana bar. Don't forget that on level ups and after drinking potions ({{i|Schadenfreude Potion}}, {{i|Can of Whupaz}}, etc) your mana mode is resetted to normal mode so you need all mana potions you can get your hands on.
 The only god who is really bad is {{g|Taurog}}, since repeated use of {{s|BYSSEPS}} will upset him a lot. {{i|Skullpicker}} is not enough to make up for that.
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 |Name=Chemist
 |ShortHand=Ch
-|Tooltip=ADDITIVES: Starts with the BYSSEPS glyph. Successive BYSSEPS casts stack, gives +1 base damage on top of the normal +30% attack bonus, and double in cost&#10;PRESERVATIVES: More potion shops&#10;COLOURANTS: Health and Mana potions only restore 10% of your health instead of the usual 40%. Drinking a health or mana potion puts you in a form with double regeneration based on that potions type, but will also prevent you from regenerating the other. Your form resets to normal on level up (or when you drink any potion)
+|Tooltip=MONSTER CLASS&#10;ADDITIVES: Starts with the BYSSEPS glyph. Successive BYSSEPS casts stack, gives +1 base damage on top of the normal +30% attack bonus, and double in cost&#10;PRESERVATIVES: More potion shops&#10;COLOURANTS: Health and Mana potions only restore 10% of your health instead of the usual 40%. Drinking a health or mana potion puts you in a form with double regeneration based on that potions type, but will also prevent you from regenerating the other. Your form resets to normal on level up (or when you drink any potion)
 |Traits=
 ;{{a|ADDITIVES}}: Start with {{s|BYSSEPS}}. Successive {{s|BYSSEPS}} casts stack, gives +1 base damage on top of the normal +30% attack bonus, and double in cost

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 {{g|The Earthmother}}: The Chemist is very good at killing monsters 2-3 levels above him for bonus XP. {{boon|Entanglement}} makes this even easier and {{s|IMAWAL}} increases the payout (at the cost of even more blackspace), making {{g|The Earthmother}} an obvious choice. Later, {{boon|Clearance}} is good against the bosses for all the reasons mentioned for the above deities.
-{{g|Tikki Tooki}}: Since the Chemist likes to kill high level enemies in 2-3 hits and can afford to ignore a lot of popcorn, you shouldn't have much trouble gaining piety with Tikki Tooki and most of his boons will be pretty useful. Reflexes is especially good since health potions are otherwise nearly useless, though the second hit from the Reflex potion won't have any levels of might.
+{{g|Tikki Tooki}}: Since the Chemist likes to kill high level enemies in 2-3 hits and can afford to ignore a lot of popcorn, you shouldn't have much trouble gaining piety with Tikki Tooki and most of his boons will be pretty useful. {{boon|Reflexes}} is especially good since health potions are otherwise nearly useless, though the second hit from the {{i|Reflex Potion}} won't have any levels of might.
 {{g|Mystera Annur}}: The only boons she offers that a Chemist would want are Magic and Refreshement, and even those aren't ideal unless the boss is very resistant to physical damage. Still, you'll be spending lots of mana as you explore so piety gain is easy.

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 |Name=Chemist
 |ShortHand=Ch
 |Traits=
 ;{{a|ADDITIVES}}: Start with {{s|BYSSEPS}}. Successive {{s|BYSSEPS}} casts stack, gives +1 base damage on top of the normal +30% attack bonus, and double in cost

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 == Deities ==
-{{g|Binlor Ironshield}}: Unlike for everyone else, the {{t|Might}} from Stone Form stacks with the might from your glyph, and does so without raising the BYSSEPS glyph's cost; this turns {{s|PISORF}} into an extra layer of might for only 4 mana on top of its damage abilities. Stone Skin is also great for surviving extra hits to score high-level kills or finish off a boss, and PISORF gets enemies out of your path without wasting your might. Since you have no natural resistances there's no need to keep your piety above zero; just cast {{s|PISORF}} or {{s|ENDISWAL}} a couple times whenever you want to buy a boon.
+{{g|Binlor Ironshield}}: Unlike for everyone else, the {{t|Might}} from {{boon|Stone Form}} stacks with the might from your glyph, and does so without raising the cost of the {{s|BYSSEPS}}; this turns {{s|PISORF}} into an extra layer of might for only 4 mana on top of its damage abilities. {{boon|Stone Skin}} is also great for surviving extra hits to score high-level kills or finish off a boss, and {{s|PISORF}} gets enemies out of your path without wasting your {{t|Might}}. Since you have no natural resistances there's no need to keep your piety above zero; just cast {{s|PISORF}} or {{s|ENDISWAL}} a couple times whenever you want to buy a boon.
 {{g|Glowing Guardian}}, {{g|Dracul}}, {{g|Jehora Jeheyu}}: Since your potions won't do you much good against the boss, the health and mana restoration boons from these deities are especially valuable. Converting your potions for piety, Jehora's early boons and to avoid their dislikes isn't a big loss. Cleansing from the {{g|Glowing Guardian}} can also let you apply your great physical might into kills against physical-resistant enemies (especially high level {{m|Wraith}}s); combine it with fireballs rather than going for a second hit.

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 {{g|Binlor Ironshield}}: Unlike for everyone else, the {{t|Might}} from Stone Form stacks with the might from your glyph, and does so without raising the BYSSEPS glyph's cost; this turns {{s|PISORF}} into an extra layer of might for only 4 mana on top of its damage abilities. Stone Skin is also great for surviving extra hits to score high-level kills or finish off a boss, and PISORF gets enemies out of your path without wasting your might. Since you have no natural resistances there's no need to keep your piety above zero; just cast {{s|PISORF}} or {{s|ENDISWAL}} a couple times whenever you want to buy a boon.
-{{g|Glowing Guardian}}, {{g|Dracul}}, {{g|Jehora Jeheyu}}: Since your potions won't do you much good against the boss, the health and mana restoration boons from these deities are especially valuable. Converting your potions for piety, Jehora's early boons and to avoid their dislikes isn't a big loss. Cleansing from the {{g|Glowing Guardian}} can also let you apply your great physical might into kills against physical-resistant enemies (especially high level {{m|Wraith}}); combine it with fireballs rather than going for a second hit.
+{{g|Glowing Guardian}}, {{g|Dracul}}, {{g|Jehora Jeheyu}}: Since your potions won't do you much good against the boss, the health and mana restoration boons from these deities are especially valuable. Converting your potions for piety, Jehora's early boons and to avoid their dislikes isn't a big loss. Cleansing from the {{g|Glowing Guardian}} can also let you apply your great physical might into kills against physical-resistant enemies (especially high level {{m|Wraith}}s); combine it with fireballs rather than going for a second hit.
 {{g|The Earthmother}}: The Chemist is very good at killing monsters 2-3 levels above him for bonus XP. Entanglement makes this even easier and {{s|IMAWAL}} increases the payout (at the cost of even more blackspace), making the Earthmother an obvious choice. Later, Clearance is good against the bosses for all the reasons mentioned for the above deities.