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<onlyinclude>{{
{{{tpl|ClassInfobox}}}
|Name=Heretic
|ShortHand=He
|Tooltip=INDULGENT: Gain power with indulgences
BLASPHEMOUS: Gain 3 CP/piety lost when angering a god
OBSCENE MISSION: Scout all altars, auto-desecrate on level up
|Traits=
;INDULGENT: Indulgences are never spent; gain health, base damage, and mana based on indulgences
;BLASPHEMOUS: Gain 3 CP/piety lost when angering a god, immune to punishments
;OBSCENE MISSION: Scout all altars, cannot convert or desecrate, auto-desecrate worshipped altar on level up and reduce piety to 0
|SuggestedRaces={{HuHe}}
|ClassChallenges=
|Unlock={{b|Church|Level 4|Church}}
|Group=Tier 4
}}</onlyinclude>

''add description here''

== Strategy ==

(add strategy here)

== Races ==

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== Deities ==

You'll probably want to visit all deities regardless, but some are more important than others because of how little time you have to collect piety.

{{g|Jehora Jeheyu}} awards piety based on tiles visited and so can be acquired very late, and provides several useful late-game boons in return.

== Items ==

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	{{i\|Stone Sigil}} Heretic is VERY pressed for time to get the appropriate piety for their boons, so the usually underwhelming effect of the stone sigil is GREATLY appreciated for squeezing as much piety as possible into one level's time.		{{i\|Stone Sigil}} Heretic is VERY pressed for time to get the appropriate piety for their boons, so the usually underwhelming effect of the stone sigil is GREATLY appreciated for squeezing as much piety as possible into one level's time.
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 ;BLASPHEMOUS: Gain 3 CP/piety lost when angering a god, immune to punishments
 ;OBSCENE MISSION: Scout all altars, cannot convert or desecrate, auto-desecrate worshipped altar on level up and reduce piety to 0
-|SuggestedRaces={{HuHe}}
+|SuggestedRaces={{r|Human}}, {{r|Orc}}, {{r|Gnome}}, {{r|Halfling}}, {{r|Goblin}}
 |ClassChallenges=
-|Unlock={{b|Church|Level 4|Church}}
+{{EECC|Heretic|Bronze|Losing Paradise}}
 |Group=Tier 4
 }}</onlyinclude>
-"''These hardline antitiests demonstrate impressive religious knowledge and talent. They direct most of their incredible skill to the cause of pranking their nemeses, the Crusaders.''"
+"''These hardline antitheists demonstrate impressive religious knowledge and talent. They direct most of their incredible skill to the cause of pranking their nemeses, the Crusaders.''"
 The Heretic is a special Tier 4 class from the Desktop Dungeons: Extreme Edition mod, unlocked by paying 3000 gold at the Church. The class specializes in using gods in unorthodox ways, primarily by deliberately antagonizing them.
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 == Strategy ==
-Heretic strategy is a lot more complex than it initially appears, thanks in no small part to turning the way you must think about the gods on its head. The biggest plus the class has is the ability to worship every god on the map and accrue many boons from different gods with relative ease, in a manner similar to the Goatperson. The difference is, you only get a god once, Goatperson can cycle through the altars multiple times. This means to maximize your potential, you must VERY carefully decide when to worship each god and how to spend the piety gained under them, be that on particular boons or by angering the god to convert piety to conversion points.
+Heretic strategy is a lot more complex than it initially appears, thanks in no small part to turning the way you must think about the gods on its head. The biggest plus the class has is the ability to worship every god on the map and accrue many boons from different gods with relative ease, in a manner similar to the {{c|Goatperson}}. The difference is, you only get to worship a god for one level, while {{c|Goatperson}} can cycle through the altars multiple times. This means to maximize your potential, you must VERY carefully decide when to worship each god and how to spend the piety gained under them, be that on particular boons or by angering the god to convert piety to conversion points.
 Because of the sheer complexity of godplay in general and the limited, random altar spawns, this makes Heretic one of the most difficult classes to plan out. Options will change drastically depending on what gods happen to spawn, and the options within those you will want to take drastically differ depending on the dungeon, your race, and item selection. There is no one main gameplan the Heretic wants to follow, they must adapt on the fly to truly stand out. Being unable to stay with a particular god for long is a severe limitation on each one's individual strategy, stackable boons such as Dracul's lifesteal and sanguine boons especially get much harder to use. Always try to keep in mind how much piety you need, how much you can reasonably gain in one level's time, and even how your god's starting piety works to make smart decisions, and always remember that piety drops to 0 every time you level up. If at all possible, try to vent off remaining unspent piety by angering your god before leveling up.
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 == Races ==
-{{r|Human}}: INDULGENT eventually ends up giving the Heretic 6 additional base damage, slightly more than an entire level's worth. Humans obviously will get good mileage out of that with damage bonus.
+{{r|Human}}: INDULGENT eventually ends up giving the Heretic 6 additional base damage, slightly more than an entire level's worth. Humans obviously will get good mileage out of that with damage bonus.  Human heretics are especially powerful in long dungeons, where BLASPHEMOUS can be used to build up a huge damage bonus.
 {{r|Gnome}}: INDULGENT also increases base mana, up to 16 when combined with the three boosters. This makes potions pay out 1-1 in fireballs, and 2 potions will buy 3 PISORF casts, which will enjoy the base damage boost INDULGENT also provides.
-{{r|Goblin}}: A much trickier and riskier pick, but not one without use. Goblins make interesting Heretics for two reasons: 1. they can better control when they level up, and therefore leave a god, without killing monsters who would otherwise be very useful for gaining piety with the next god, and B. BLASPEMOUS will allow the goblin to directly convert piety to EXP, which has a range of applications. INDULGENT helps offset Goblin's low stats to boot, though you will still want to snag some boons and items to make full use of the race.
+{{r|Halfling}}: While the health increase is not as noticeable as the mana increase from INDULGENT, a Halfling Heretic can still manage an above average health spike, improved further by the extra base damage.
 == Deities ==
-{{g|The Pactmaker}} is typically not a good roll for a Heretic. Because the Heretic cannot stay in one god for long and loses all piety on leveling up, it's not possible to sustain the piety cost for pacts even when they might be helpful. Therefore, this altar is more or less a free {{boon|Consensus}}, which can be helpful for a Heretic hurting for piety for their other gods. One should carefully time the {{boon|Consensus}}, as the 50 piety cap can hurt the often-high joining piety some gods grant for joining late in the run that the Heretic normally benefits from. It should also be noted that the piety cost of a pact activating does not count as losing piety for the purpose of BLASPHEMOUS.
+{{g|The Pactmaker}} is typically not a good roll for a Heretic. Because the Heretic cannot stay in one god for long and loses all piety on leveling up, it's not possible to sustain the piety cost for pacts even when they might be helpful. Therefore, this altar is more or less a free {{boon|Consensus}}, which can be helpful for a Heretic hurting for piety for their other gods. One should carefully time the {{boon|Consensus}}, as the 50 piety cap can hurt the often-high joining piety some gods grant for joining late in the run that the Heretic normally benefits from. It should also be noted that the piety cost of a pact activating does not count as losing piety for the purpose of BLASPHEMOUS. Depending on the other gods, {{boon|Scholar's Pact}} can be useful as well for additional health versus a boss.
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-{{g|The Earthmother}} gives the always-helpful {{s|IMAWAL}}, and offers fast piety gain and an easy way to lose piety for BLASPHEMOUS by killing plants. On the other hand, her boons are not all that useful for the early game. Though {{boon|Vine Form}} is still very strong, Heretics do not benefit as much from it specifically as other classes, as INDULGENT already offers extra HP. As well, {{boon|Entanglement}} is best used consistently during leveling, which the Heretic cannot do. Therefore, one must weigh the benefit of an immediate {{s|IMAWAL}} and CP with the usual late-game {{boon|Clearance}} spike. It should be noted that {{g|The Earthmother}} only ever gives 5 piety on worship, so late worship will require {{boon|Plantation}}, conflicting with {{g|Dracul}}.
+{{g|The Earthmother}} gives the always-helpful {{s|IMAWAL}}, and offers fast piety gain and an easy way to lose piety for BLASPHEMOUS by killing plants. On the other hand, her boons are not all that useful for the early game. Though {{boon|Vine Form}} is still very strong, Heretics do not benefit as much from it specifically as other classes, as INDULGENT already offers extra HP. As well, {{boon|Entanglement}} is best used consistently during leveling, which the Heretic cannot do, although a single use still provides some value by getting you extra XP from popcorn later in the run. Therefore, one must weigh the benefit of an immediate {{s|IMAWAL}} and CP with the usual late-game {{boon|Clearance}} spike. It should be noted that {{g|The Earthmother}} only ever gives 5 piety on worship, so late worship will require {{boon|Plantation}}, conflicting with {{g|Dracul}}.
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-{{g|Jehora Jeheyu}} is a strong find, offering two options: On one hand, he gives you a useful on-worship glyph and allows you to generate piety using blackspace, so he can be worshipped early for some of his strong stat-boosting boons. On the other hand, he also awards on-worship piety based on the character's level and so can be joined at level 8-10 for a last-minute {{boon|Chaos Avatar}}. For a Heretic, {{boon|Petition}} is often a waste of piety due to the inability for long-term worship. It is impossible to lose piety under this god, so BLASPHEMOUS is not relevant.
+{{g|Jehora Jeheyu}} is a strong find, offering two options: On one hand, he gives you a useful on-worship glyph and allows you to generate piety using blackspace, so he can be worshipped early for some of his strong stat-boosting boons. On the other hand, he also awards on-worship piety based on the character's level and so can be joined at level 8-10 for a last-minute {{boon|Chaos Avatar}} or stat boosts. For a Heretic, {{boon|Petition}} is often a waste of piety due to the inability for long-term worship. It is impossible to lose piety under this god, so BLASPHEMOUS is not relevant.
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-{{g|Taurog}}'s resistance boons are less strong than usual, as Heretic has trouble stacking resistances compared to other gods. Moreover the pressure {{g|Taurog}}'s boons place on the player's inventory is more important than usual since the player potentially has multiple gods' starting glyphs to keep. These factors, coupled with Heretic's automatic desecration on level up, make {{boon|Unstoppable Fury}} unrealistic to make use of. However, {{boon|Taurog's Blade}} is as powerful as always, and joining Taurog first as a Heretic doesn't have the usual disadvantage of locking the player out of a different god's starting glyph, making him a viable first god. Additionally, Taurog offers an easy way to lose piety for the purposes of BLASPHEMOUS, which can be very blackspace-efficient, particularly with {{s|BYSSEPS}} or {{s|GETINDARE}}. Coupled with Taurog's fast piety gain, especially when killing magical enemies, this makes joining Taurog in the midgame at the start of a level and killing some magical popcorn for piety for this purpose a viable option.
+{{g|Taurog}}'s resistance boons are less strong than usual, as Heretic has trouble stacking resistances compared to other gods. Moreover, the pressure {{g|Taurog}}'s boons place on the player's inventory is more important than usual since the player potentially has multiple gods' starting glyphs to keep. These factors, coupled with Heretic's automatic desecration on level up, make {{boon|Unstoppable Fury}} unrealistic to make use of. However, {{boon|Taurog's Blade}} is as powerful as always, and joining Taurog first as a Heretic doesn't have the usual disadvantage of locking the player out of a different god's starting glyph, making him a viable first god. Additionally, Taurog offers an easy way to lose piety for the purposes of BLASPHEMOUS, which can be very blackspace-efficient, particularly with {{s|BYSSEPS}} or {{s|GETINDARE}}. Coupled with Taurog's fast piety gain, especially when killing magical enemies, this makes joining Taurog in the midgame at the start of a level and killing some magical popcorn for piety for this purpose a viable option.

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−	{{g\|The Earthmother}} gives the always-helpful {{s\|IMAWAL}}, and offers fast piety gain and an easy way to lose piety for BLASPHEMOUS by killing plants. On the other hand, her boons are not all that useful for the early game. ~~A Heretic does not really need the help of~~ {{boon\|Vine Form}}, as INDULGENT already offers extra HP, ~~and~~ {{boon\|Entanglement}} is best used consistently during leveling, which the Heretic cannot do. Therefore, one must weigh the benefit of an immediate {{s\|IMAWAL}} and CP with the usual late-game {{boon\|Clearance}} spike. It should be noted that {{g\|The Earthmother}} only ever gives 5 piety on worship, so late worship will require {{boon\|Plantation}}, conflicting with {{g\|Dracul}}.	+	{{g\|The Earthmother}} gives the always-helpful {{s\|IMAWAL}}, and offers fast piety gain and an easy way to lose piety for BLASPHEMOUS by killing plants. On the other hand, her boons are not all that useful for the early game. Though {{boon\|Vine Form}} is still very strong, Heretics do not benefit as much from it specifically as other classes, as INDULGENT already offers extra HP. As well, {{boon\|Entanglement}} is best used consistently during leveling, which the Heretic cannot do. Therefore, one must weigh the benefit of an immediate {{s\|IMAWAL}} and CP with the usual late-game {{boon\|Clearance}} spike. It should be noted that {{g\|The Earthmother}} only ever gives 5 piety on worship, so late worship will require {{boon\|Plantation}}, conflicting with {{g\|Dracul}}.

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 == Races ==
-HUMAN: INDULGENT eventually ends up giving the Heretic 6 additional base damage, slightly more than an entire level's worth. Humans obviously will get good mileage out of that with damage bonus.
+{{r|Human}}: INDULGENT eventually ends up giving the Heretic 6 additional base damage, slightly more than an entire level's worth. Humans obviously will get good mileage out of that with damage bonus.
-GNOME: INDULGENT also increases base mana, up to 16 when combined with the three boosters. This makes potions pay out 1-1 in fireballs, and 2 potions will buy 3 PISORF casts, which will enjoy the base damage boost INDULGENT also provides.
+{{r|Gnome}}: INDULGENT also increases base mana, up to 16 when combined with the three boosters. This makes potions pay out 1-1 in fireballs, and 2 potions will buy 3 PISORF casts, which will enjoy the base damage boost INDULGENT also provides.
-GOBLIN: A much trickier and riskier pick, but not one without use. Goblins make interesting Heretics for two reasons: 1. they can better control when they level up, and therefore leave a god, without killing monsters who would otherwise be very useful for gaining piety with the next god, and B. BLASPEMOUS will allow the goblin to directly convert piety to EXP, which has a range of applications. INDULGENT helps offset Goblin's low stats to boot, though you will still want to snag some boons and items to make full use of the race.
+{{r|Goblin}}: A much trickier and riskier pick, but not one without use. Goblins make interesting Heretics for two reasons: 1. they can better control when they level up, and therefore leave a god, without killing monsters who would otherwise be very useful for gaining piety with the next god, and B. BLASPEMOUS will allow the goblin to directly convert piety to EXP, which has a range of applications. INDULGENT helps offset Goblin's low stats to boot, though you will still want to snag some boons and items to make full use of the race.
 == Deities ==
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 == Items ==
-STONE SIGIL: Heretic is VERY pressed for time to get the appropriate piety for their boons, so the usually underwhelming effect of the stone sigil is GREATLY appreciated for squeezing as much piety as possible into one level's time.
+{{i|Stone Sigil}} Heretic is VERY pressed for time to get the appropriate piety for their boons, so the usually underwhelming effect of the stone sigil is GREATLY appreciated for squeezing as much piety as possible into one level's time.