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Knockback is a position changing and damaging mechanism at the same time.

== What is Knockback ==
Knockback is a mechanism that pushes the target by one block. There are three kinds of knockback in game: player's {{t|Knockback}} x% trait, {{s|PISORF}}, and monster's {{t|Knockback}} trait. PISORF is largely the same with player's knockback. Monster's knockback will be described later, and only very few monsters have this trait. Knockback will push the target directly backward if it is possible, and will take damage if the tile behind the target was a wall or a monster.

Having just a small percentage of knockback differs hugely from not having it at all, because at least it can push monsters around.

== How to get Knockback ==
Beginners will find {{s|PISORF}} glyph lying around. This is the only method to use knockback for beginners, but they will also find many other items, abilities or boons to have knockback trait as they [[unlockables|unlock the contents]].

A {{i|Bear Mace}} can be prepared after the player unlocks the [[Blacksmith]]. It is also found in a blacksmith secret [[subdungeon]], hiding in walls. Bear mace adds {{t|Knockback}} 25% to the player.

{{g|Binlor Ironshield}}'s boon, {{boon|Stone Fist}}, adds Knockback 50% to the player.

Finally, {{c|Half-Dragon}} starts with Knockback 20%, and each 100 conversion points gives additional 20% to him.

== How to use Knockback ==

Knockback can be used to break walls. Sometimes a player prepares {{i|Bear Mace}} only to find a secret [[subdungeon]], although the player does not plan to use it as additional damage. This item is also worth to prepare in some maze-like dungeons although there is no secret sub. Advanced players can use knockback to break some walls and leave some accessible blackspaces for later on.

Knockback is also very useful to use as a damaging method. It best works when the character can obtain a lot of base damage such as being an {{r|Orc}}, or having a large chunk of walls around the target monster.

When the tile behind the target monster is
* '''A wall''': the wall is destroyed, the target takes its place, and it is dealt Knockback% of your base damage as physical damage.
* '''A monster''': first entity (cue ball) are dealt 80% of Knockback% of your base damage as physical damage, and the second will take exact same damage as a typeless damage.
* '''Empty''': the target is moved to the empty tile.
* '''Indestructible tile(water/lava) or map edge''': no effect

But, in checking the {{badge|Specialist}} badge, the knockback damage is considered as a typeless damage. This is a trace that knockback had been typeless damage, but turned into a physical attack. {{s|PISORF}} works exactly the same with knockback 60% although it is used without a normal attack. But in checking the Specialist badge, it is considered as a physical damage unlike the knockback trait.

== Positioning ==
Positioning is very important to leverage the knockback.

=== General Positioning ===
These are exmples of some awful maps to push monsters. You cannot push monsters into walls, and it implies the damage output is not very good, and you cannot earn piety under {{g|Binlor Ironshield}}. Grey tile means a wall.

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The one above is relatively better than the one below. A line is still a good chunk if you can catch the end of the line, and usually this layout have some fork in the hallways which means there is an end. {{s|WEYTWUT}} can be used to position an enemy at the end of a line, then you can erase the line by pushing the monster. But in some cases, especially if some tiles are water or lava, you must carry {{s|ENDISWAL}} to do something about it.

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This one is the worst map layout. You must carry {{s|ENDISWAL}} to push monsters into walls, and even then it's not efficient at all. For just damaging purpose, you'd better to find a monster to knockback the target into. Unfortunately you will frequently face this layout because using knockback will naturally lead to it.

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In this situation where black tiles implies a map edge, you cannot set up a good knockback chain without the help of {{s|ENDISWAL}}.

Generally, {{s|ENDISWAL}} is nearly a must if you want to push your target into walls effectively.

=== One Target Monster ===
When you are going to use your knockback and/or {{s|PISORF}} as a damage source, you need a large chunk of walls around the target and a monster at the end of the chunck. Since pushing target into a monter damages it by only 80%, Empty-Wall-Wall-Wall-Wall chain does the same damage with Monster-Monster-Monster-Monster-Monster. Keep this in mind and carefully position your knockback chain to do the largest damage.

The best chain can be pulled out by pushing the target into walls as long as possible, then pushing the target into a monster after the chunk is gone. For example, Wall-Wall-Wal-Wall-Wall-Empty-Wall-Wall-Wall-Monster-Monster-Monster-... is a very nice knockback chain.

Usually, you need to push the target into an empty tile at least once. If you have both knockback and PISORF, It is best to use PISORF at that timing if your knockback% is more than 60%. Usually the character will have knockback via {{boon|Stone Fist}} or {{i|Bear Mace}} which is 50% and 25% respectively, so PISORF is better at moving the target into an empty tile. But if you are {{c|Half-Dragon}} or have some greater knockback%, you'd better use your normal attack to push the monster. This will maximize the damage output.

Carefully plan your chain, and break some walls before the fight via {{s|ENDISWAL}} to make some empty tile to position yourself. Using {{s|PISORF}} or {{t|Knockback}} to move your target or secondary monster (which will be used to push your target into) next to the wall chunk. Building a chunk with {{s|IMAWAL}} by yourself is one possible method, but {{g|Binlor Ironshield}} hates when you do it.

=== Two Target Monsters ===
When you have two monsters to kill, since knockback can attack two targets at once, you can effectively kill both by {{t|Knockback}} and {{s|PISORF}}. It works even better when two targets are not equal. When you use your knockback trait, the additional knockback damage is very small compared to your normal attack.

=== Three Target Monsters ===

== Damage Optimization ==

== Various Interactions ==
=== {{t|Cowardly}} / {{t|Blinks}} & Knockback ===
=== {{t|Corrosion}} & Knockback ===
=== {{t|Burning}} & Knockback ===
=== Other Interactions ===
Sorcerer
The Avatar
RBS: applies to both PISORF and knockback.

== Additional Tricks ==
Checking what lies behind the target

== Monster's Knockback ==

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 The best chain can be pulled out by pushing the target into walls as long as possible, then pushing the target into a monster after the chunk is gone. For example, Wall-Wall-Wal-Wall-Wall-Empty-Wall-Wall-Wall-Monster-Monster-Monster-... is a very nice knockback chain.
-Usually, you need to push the target into an empty tile at least once. If you have both knockback and PISORF, It is best to use PISORF at that timing if your knockback% is more than 60%. Usually the character will have knockback via {{boon|Stone Fist}} or {{i|Bear Mace}} which is 50% and 25% respectively, so PISORF is better at moving the target into an empty tile. But if you are {{c|Half-Dragon}} or have some greater knockback%, you'd better use your normal attack to push the monster. This will maximize the damage output.
+Usually, you need to push the target into an empty tile at least once. If you have both knockback and PISORF, It is best to use PISORF at that timing if your knockback% is more than 60%. Usually the character will have knockback via {{boon|Stone Fist}} or {{i|Bear Mace}} which is 50% and 25% respectively, so a normal attack is better at moving the target into an empty tile. But if you are {{c|Half-Dragon}} or have some greater knockback%, you'd better use PISORF to push the monster. This will maximize the damage output.
 Carefully plan your chain, and break some walls before the fight via {{s|ENDISWAL}} to make some empty tile to position yourself. Using {{s|PISORF}} or {{t|Knockback}} to move your target or secondary monster (which will be used to push your target into) next to the wall chunk. Building a chunk with {{s|IMAWAL}} by yourself is one possible method, but {{g|Binlor Ironshield}} hates when you do it.
 === Two Target Monsters ===

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 Having just a small percentage of knockback differs hugely from not having it at all, because at least it can push monsters around.
 == How to get Knockback ==
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 Finally, {{c|Half-Dragon}} starts with Knockback 20%, and each 100 conversion points gives additional 20% to him.
 == How to use Knockback ==
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 But, in checking the {{badge|Specialist}} badge, the knockback damage is considered as a typeless damage. This is a trace that knockback had been typeless damage, but turned into a physical attack. {{s|PISORF}} works exactly the same with knockback 60% although it is used without a normal attack. But in checking the Specialist badge, it is considered as a physical damage unlike the knockback trait.
 == Positioning ==
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 The one above is relatively better than the one below. A line is still a good chunk if you can catch the end of the line, and usually this layout have some fork in the hallways which means there is an end. {{s|WEYTWUT}} can be used to position an enemy at the end of a line, then you can erase the line by pushing the monster. But in some cases, especially if some tiles are water or lava, you must carry {{s|ENDISWAL}} to do something about it.
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 Generally, {{s|ENDISWAL}} is nearly a must if you want to push your target into walls effectively.
 === One Target Monster ===
-When you are going to use your knockback and/or {{s|PISORF}} as a damage source, you need a large chunk of walls around the target and a monster at the end of the chunck. Since pushing target into a monter damages it by only 80%, Empty-Wall-Wall-Wall-Wall chain does the same damage with Monster-Monster-Monster-Monster-Monster. Keep this in mind and carefully position your knockback chain to do the largest damage.
+When you are going to use your knockback and/or {{s|PISORF}} as a damage source, you need a large chunk of walls around the target and a monster at the end of the chunck. Since pushing target into a monter damages it by only 80%, Empty-Wall-Wall-Wall-Wall chain does the same damage with Monster-Monster-Monster-Monster-Monster (though rounding off can make a little difference). Keep this in mind and carefully position your knockback chain to do the largest damage.
 The best chain can be pulled out by pushing the target into walls as long as possible, then pushing the target into a monster after the chunk is gone. For example, Wall-Wall-Wal-Wall-Wall-Empty-Wall-Wall-Wall-Monster-Monster-Monster-... is a very nice knockback chain.
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 === Two Target Monsters ===
 When you have two monsters to kill, since knockback can attack two targets at once, you can effectively kill both by {{t|Knockback}} and {{s|PISORF}}. It works even better when two targets are not equal. When you use your knockback trait, the additional knockback damage is very small compared to your normal attack.
-=== Three Target Monsters ===
+Let's say the one you are pushing is target 1 'cue ball', and the monster behind is 'knockback target'. The optimal cue ball is monsters which
-== Damage Optimization ==
+Knockback target does not lose {{t|Death Protection}} or die by knockback. If you are targeting a single monster it works as a benefit, but in this case it doesn't.
 == Various Interactions ==
 === {{t|Cowardly}} / {{t|Blinks}} & Knockback ===
 === {{t|Corrosion}} & Knockback ===
-=== {{t|Burning}} & Knockback ===
+Knockback has some interesting and non-intuitive mechanism, that is, the knockback target takes damage '''equal to the damage the cue ball took''' no matter what. It means, the knockback target's {{t|Corrosion}} stacks and {{t|Physical resist}} has no effect on the damage. Only cue ball's corrosion and resist are in effect.
 === Other Interactions ===
-Sorcerer
+*If a knockback damages a {{t|Burning}} monster, the damage will ignite the burn stack.
-The Avatar
+*The Avatar, the boss of {{d|Demonic Library}}, does not spawn ???s when hit by knockback.
-RBS: applies to both PISORF and knockback.
+*{{i|Really Big Sword}} applies to both PISORF and knockback.
-== Additional Tricks ==
+== Advanced Tricks ==
-Checking what lies behind the target
+'''Checking what lies behind the target'''
 == Monster's Knockback ==