Talk:Assassin - Revision history

Lujo at 23:51, 17 May 2016

2016-05-17T23:51:38Z

Darvin at 15:37, 28 May 2015

2015-05-28T15:37:14Z

Darvin: /* No Pissorf? No Dwarves? */

2015-05-28T15:36:46Z

‎No Pissorf? No Dwarves?

Lujo: /* No Pissorf? No Dwarves? */

2015-05-28T13:51:53Z

‎No Pissorf? No Dwarves?

Lujo: /* No Pissorf? No Dwarves? */

2015-05-28T13:51:27Z

‎No Pissorf? No Dwarves?

Lujo: /* Orc vs Human */

2015-05-28T13:47:03Z

‎Orc vs Human

MTaur: /* Orc vs Human */

2015-05-28T05:02:59Z

‎Orc vs Human

Darvin: /* Orc vs Human */

2015-05-27T18:53:20Z

‎Orc vs Human

Darvin: /* Orc vs Human */

2015-05-27T18:53:09Z

‎Orc vs Human

Tinker: /* Orc vs Human */

2015-05-27T17:43:40Z

‎Orc vs Human

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−	Assassins are among the strongest pissorf spammers in general, using that with them is probably stronger than anything even mentioned on the page. In fact, Orc Fighters using Pissorf play "like" assassins, because using the glyph lets you easily overlevel everything so that you "practically" have swift hands, while the assassin really does have swift hands (and built in first strike to finish off higher level targets that have been affected by pissorff). It's so strong that you can forget poison entirely. In fact, it's so strong, that it makes the whole discussion below look silly. It's not that the discussion or the page don't make sense, or that particular stuff in/on it isn't strong or even stronger than most other things in the game, it's just that it's mostly not in the same league as any Pisorf Assassin.
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−	Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily. --[[User:Lujo\|Lujo]]
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	Not so much a fan of Dwarf Assassin. If you want max hit point boosts, JJ can give them to you. For poison-fighting purposes, you only need enough hit points to survive one hit. I'd rather have human/orc for more damage and efficiency, elf for mana spikes, or goblin for more reliable spikes. PISORF definitely works for Assassin, so I definitely support its addition to the article (also, sign your comments; it gets really confusing when 3 or 4 people are talking if you don't) --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 15:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)		Not so much a fan of Dwarf Assassin. If you want max hit point boosts, JJ can give them to you. For poison-fighting purposes, you only need enough hit points to survive one hit. I'd rather have human/orc for more damage and efficiency, elf for mana spikes, or goblin for more reliable spikes. PISORF definitely works for Assassin, so I definitely support its addition to the article (also, sign your comments; it gets really confusing when 3 or 4 people are talking if you don't) --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 15:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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 Assassins are among the strongest pissorf spammers in general, using that with them is probably stronger than anything even mentioned on the page. In fact, Orc Fighters using Pissorf play "like" assassins, because using the glyph lets you easily overlevel everything so that you "practically" have swift hands, while the assassin really does have swift hands (and built in first strike to finish off higher level targets that have been affected by pissorff). It's so strong that you can forget poison entirely. In fact, it's so strong, that it makes the whole discussion below look silly. It's not that the discussion or the page don't make sense, or that particular stuff in/on it isn't strong or even stronger than most other things in the game, it's just that it's mostly not in the same league as any Pisorf Assassin.
-Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily.
+Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily. --[[User:Lujo|Lujo]]
 Not so much a fan of Dwarf Assassin.  If you want max hit point boosts, JJ can give them to you.  For poison-fighting purposes, you only need enough hit points to survive one hit.  I'd rather have human/orc for more damage and efficiency, elf for mana spikes, or goblin for more reliable spikes.  PISORF definitely works for Assassin, so I definitely support its addition to the article (also, sign your comments; it gets really confusing when 3 or 4 people are talking if you don't) --[[User:Darvin|Darvin]] 15:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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	Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily.		Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily.
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		+	Not so much a fan of Dwarf Assassin. If you want max hit point boosts, JJ can give them to you. For poison-fighting purposes, you only need enough hit points to survive one hit. I'd rather have human/orc for more damage and efficiency, elf for mana spikes, or goblin for more reliable spikes. PISORF definitely works for Assassin, so I definitely support its addition to the article (also, sign your comments; it gets really confusing when 3 or 4 people are talking if you don't) --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 15:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

	==Orc vs Human==		==Orc vs Human==

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 == No Pissorf? No Dwarves? ==
-Assassins are among the strongest pissorf spammers in general, using that with them is probably stronger than anything even mentioned on the page. In fact, Orc Fighters using Pissorf play "like" assassins, because using the glyph lets you easily overlevel everything so that you "practically" have swift hands, while the assassin really does have swift hands (and built in first strike to finish off higher level targets that have been affected by pissorff). It's so strong that you can forget poison entirely. In fact, it's so strong, that it makes the whole discussion below look silly. It's not that the discussion or the page don't make sense, or that particular stuff in/on it isn't strong or even stronger than most other things in the game, it's just that it's mostly not in the same league as any Pisorf assassin.
+Assassins are among the strongest pissorf spammers in general, using that with them is probably stronger than anything even mentioned on the page. In fact, Orc Fighters using Pissorf play "like" assassins, because using the glyph lets you easily overlevel everything so that you "practically" have swift hands, while the assassin really does have swift hands (and built in first strike to finish off higher level targets that have been affected by pissorff). It's so strong that you can forget poison entirely. In fact, it's so strong, that it makes the whole discussion below look silly. It's not that the discussion or the page don't make sense, or that particular stuff in/on it isn't strong or even stronger than most other things in the game, it's just that it's mostly not in the same league as any Pisorf Assassin.
 Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily.

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 == No Pissorf? No Dwarves? ==
-Assassins are among the strongest pissorf spammers in general, using that with them is probably stronger than anything even mentioned on the page. In fact, Orc Fighters using Pissorf play "like" assassins, because using the glyph lets you easily overlevel everything so that you "practically" have swift hands, while the assassin really does have swift hands (and built in first strike to finish off higher level targets that have been affected by pissorff). It's so strong that you can forget poison entirely. In fact, it's so strong, that it makes the whole discussion below look silly.
+Assassins are among the strongest pissorf spammers in general, using that with them is probably stronger than anything even mentioned on the page. In fact, Orc Fighters using Pissorf play "like" assassins, because using the glyph lets you easily overlevel everything so that you "practically" have swift hands, while the assassin really does have swift hands (and built in first strike to finish off higher level targets that have been affected by pissorff). It's so strong that you can forget poison entirely. In fact, it's so strong, that it makes the whole discussion below look silly. It's not that the discussion or the page don't make sense, or that particular stuff in/on it isn't strong or even stronger than most other things in the game, it's just that it's mostly not in the same league as any Pisorf assassin.
 Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily.
 ==Orc vs Human==

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		+	== No Pissorf? No Dwarves? ==
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		+	Assassins are among the strongest pissorf spammers in general, using that with them is probably stronger than anything even mentioned on the page. In fact, Orc Fighters using Pissorf play "like" assassins, because using the glyph lets you easily overlevel everything so that you "practically" have swift hands, while the assassin really does have swift hands (and built in first strike to finish off higher level targets that have been affected by pissorff). It's so strong that you can forget poison entirely. In fact, it's so strong, that it makes the whole discussion below look silly.
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		+	Dwarves make great melee and poison centric Assassins for 2 reasons - 1) assassins level up easily and ding easily even at later levels, which let them make really good use out of the Dwarf bonus, especially if you tack resists on, and 2) Apheelsick lets you regen a dwarf health pool mid fight without dinging, which has very obvious upsides. This isn't even getting into what you can do with lifesteal. It does vicious VT's easily.
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	==Orc vs Human==		==Orc vs Human==
	I noticed that Human Assassin got swapped for Orc Assassin. Seeing as the page hadn't been revisited since before the Assassin got his attack bonus interaction with poison, an update to the reasoning for human versus orc assassin is probably needed. I disagree, however, that Orc is preferable to human. After running the math, it looks like the preferred race depends on the dungeon and prep loadout.		I noticed that Human Assassin got swapped for Orc Assassin. Seeing as the page hadn't been revisited since before the Assassin got his attack bonus interaction with poison, an update to the reasoning for human versus orc assassin is probably needed. I disagree, however, that Orc is preferable to human. After running the math, it looks like the preferred race depends on the dungeon and prep loadout.

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	Tikki Tooki works well with Assassins in general, not just spellcasting specialists, so I'd say cover him generally rather than in the context of a specific race. --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 18:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)		Tikki Tooki works well with Assassins in general, not just spellcasting specialists, so I'd say cover him generally rather than in the context of a specific race. --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 18:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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		+	Thanks for the compliments, Darvin. Some of the edits to Orc were things that I said in the Human section before you edited it. Initially I was just going to clean up some grammar, but by the time I was done, I had reworked some of the stuff that got cut previously from Human. It fits better there anyway. - [[User:MTaur\|MTaur]]

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	Do we want to mention the specific interaction of Elf Assassin and Tikki Tooki? It's one of the strongest spellcaster builds. -[[User:Tinker\|Tinker]]		Do we want to mention the specific interaction of Elf Assassin and Tikki Tooki? It's one of the strongest spellcaster builds. -[[User:Tinker\|Tinker]]
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	Tikki Tooki works well with Assassins in general, not just spellcasting specialists, so I'd say cover him generally rather than in the context of a specific race. --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 18:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)		Tikki Tooki works well with Assassins in general, not just spellcasting specialists, so I'd say cover him generally rather than in the context of a specific race. --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 18:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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	@MTaur: great edits there; keep up the good work --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 16:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)		@MTaur: great edits there; keep up the good work --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 16:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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		+	Do we want to mention the specific interaction of Elf Assassin and Tikki Tooki? It's one of the strongest spellcaster builds. -[[User:Tinker\|Tinker]]