Talk:Priest - Revision history

Lujo at 00:38, 31 May 2016

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Lujo at 00:35, 31 May 2016

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Tinker at 10:45, 28 October 2014

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Darvin at 15:54, 7 October 2014

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Tinker: Created page with "I don't think that Dwarf is actually a really good race for a Priest. I had this feeling from actual play, so I did the math and basically the higher your Health/Level, the bette..."

2014-10-07T13:50:16Z

Created page with "I don't think that Dwarf is actually a really good race for a Priest. I had this feeling from actual play, so I did the math and basically the higher your Health/Level, the bette..."

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I don't think that Dwarf is actually a really good race for a Priest. I had this feeling from actual play, so I did the math and basically the higher your Health/Level, the better Halfling becomes versus Dwarf. This is why for a Rogue, Halfling is a terrible race choice, and Dwarf is one of the best. For the Priest, the opposite is true: since you already have a Health Bonus, which brings your total health to 16 per level (assuming 3 boosters), you are better off getting a Health Potion (restoring 6.4 Health per level) than +1 Health (which boosts health by 6.25%, and potion effectiveness by only 0.4 Health per level, to 6.8). Counting 4 "free" Health potions, the Halfling conversion allows for the restoration of 6.4 Health per level, whereas the Dwarf conversion only boosts restoration by (4*0.4=) 1.6 Health per level (granted, it also increases maximum Health, but even if you count a couple of level-up restorations, you will be far from the 6.4). So I think that the best race is Halfling; second is Orc and third is Human; average races are Elf and Gnome; and the Dwarf is maybe average, below average. (Goblin can be anything depending on XP available in dungeon, it can be one of the best for short levels, or utterly useless for long ones.)

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 I may have oversold the "priests are terrible at worshiping gods" thing, but on the other hand my experience with newbies is that tryign to melee stuff with the fighter and trying to worship gods with the Priest are the top two things most likely to drive someone away from the game when it comes to stuff you can actually write up on the wiki.
-Also I can figure that the Priest is called the Fighter and the Figther the Priest for several reasons, it's just that "don't think of that guy as a priest, he's a fighter, and whatever you do don't go trying out gods with him" has been demoralizingly relevant advice.
+Also I can figure that the Priest is called the Fighter and the Figther the Priest for several reasons, it's just that "don't think of that guy as a priest, he's a fighter, and whatever you do don't go trying out gods with him" has been demoralizingly relevant advice. I've seen it be the difference between people playing as if gods don't exist at all (because messing around gods with a priest is such a trap), and people figuring complex strats on their own simply because they werent afraid of fiddling with gods (becuase it's significantly more difficult to screw up with gods if you're not a priest).
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-I don't think that Dwarf is actually a really good race for a Priest. I had this feeling from actual play, so I did the math and basically the higher your Health/Level, the better Halfling becomes versus Dwarf. This is why for a Rogue, Halfling is a terrible race choice, and Dwarf is one of the best. For the Priest, the opposite is true: since you already have a Health Bonus, which brings your total health to 16 per level (assuming 3 boosters), you are better off getting a Health Potion (restoring 6.4 Health per level) than +1 Health (which boosts health by 6.25%, and potion effectiveness by only 0.4 Health per level, to 6.8). Counting 4 "free" Health potions, the Halfling conversion allows for the restoration of 6.4 Health per level, whereas the Dwarf conversion only boosts restoration by (4*0.4=) 1.6 Health per level (granted, it also increases maximum Health, but even if you count a couple of level-up restorations, you will be far from the 6.4). So I think that the best race is Halfling; second is Orc and third is Human; average races are Elf and Gnome; and the Dwarf is maybe average, below average. (Goblin can be anything depending on XP available in dungeon, it can be one of the best for short levels, or utterly useless for long ones.)
+Redone it top to bottom, or rather, first-drafted the rework, still need a bunch of things done tomorrow to even call it a proper first draft. I think I did a better job than with the fighter, feel free to comment.
-I agree that halflings are generally the best race for priests.  However, dwarves still work well if you can find additional means of %-based health recovery.  The Fire Heart and Dracul in particular stand out as superb combos for dwarves.  Seeing as the dwarf is generally a niche race, I support leaving it listed as a good option here.  --[[User:Darvin|Darvin]] 15:54, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
+I may have oversold the "priests are terrible at worshiping gods" thing, but on the other hand my experience with newbies is that tryign to melee stuff with the fighter and trying to worship gods with the Priest are the top two things most likely to drive someone away from the game when it comes to stuff you can actually write up on the wiki.
-Good points! I'm re-writing the races section to highlight these points properly, keeping the recommended races as they are. [[User:Tinker|Tinker]] 10:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
+Also I can figure that the Priest is called the Fighter and the Figther the Priest for several reasons, it's just that "don't think of that guy as a priest, he's a fighter, and whatever you do don't go trying out gods with him" has been demoralizingly relevant advice.

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	I agree that halflings are generally the best race for priests. However, dwarves still work well if you can find additional means of %-based health recovery. The Fire Heart and Dracul in particular stand out as superb combos for dwarves. Seeing as the dwarf is generally a niche race, I support leaving it listed as a good option here. --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 15:54, 7 October 2014 (UTC)		I agree that halflings are generally the best race for priests. However, dwarves still work well if you can find additional means of %-based health recovery. The Fire Heart and Dracul in particular stand out as superb combos for dwarves. Seeing as the dwarf is generally a niche race, I support leaving it listed as a good option here. --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 15:54, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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		+	Good points! I'm re-writing the races section to highlight these points properly, keeping the recommended races as they are. [[User:Tinker\|Tinker]] 10:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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	I don't think that Dwarf is actually a really good race for a Priest. I had this feeling from actual play, so I did the math and basically the higher your Health/Level, the better Halfling becomes versus Dwarf. This is why for a Rogue, Halfling is a terrible race choice, and Dwarf is one of the best. For the Priest, the opposite is true: since you already have a Health Bonus, which brings your total health to 16 per level (assuming 3 boosters), you are better off getting a Health Potion (restoring 6.4 Health per level) than +1 Health (which boosts health by 6.25%, and potion effectiveness by only 0.4 Health per level, to 6.8). Counting 4 "free" Health potions, the Halfling conversion allows for the restoration of 6.4 Health per level, whereas the Dwarf conversion only boosts restoration by (4*0.4=) 1.6 Health per level (granted, it also increases maximum Health, but even if you count a couple of level-up restorations, you will be far from the 6.4). So I think that the best race is Halfling; second is Orc and third is Human; average races are Elf and Gnome; and the Dwarf is maybe average, below average. (Goblin can be anything depending on XP available in dungeon, it can be one of the best for short levels, or utterly useless for long ones.)		I don't think that Dwarf is actually a really good race for a Priest. I had this feeling from actual play, so I did the math and basically the higher your Health/Level, the better Halfling becomes versus Dwarf. This is why for a Rogue, Halfling is a terrible race choice, and Dwarf is one of the best. For the Priest, the opposite is true: since you already have a Health Bonus, which brings your total health to 16 per level (assuming 3 boosters), you are better off getting a Health Potion (restoring 6.4 Health per level) than +1 Health (which boosts health by 6.25%, and potion effectiveness by only 0.4 Health per level, to 6.8). Counting 4 "free" Health potions, the Halfling conversion allows for the restoration of 6.4 Health per level, whereas the Dwarf conversion only boosts restoration by (4*0.4=) 1.6 Health per level (granted, it also increases maximum Health, but even if you count a couple of level-up restorations, you will be far from the 6.4). So I think that the best race is Halfling; second is Orc and third is Human; average races are Elf and Gnome; and the Dwarf is maybe average, below average. (Goblin can be anything depending on XP available in dungeon, it can be one of the best for short levels, or utterly useless for long ones.)
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		+	I agree that halflings are generally the best race for priests. However, dwarves still work well if you can find additional means of %-based health recovery. The Fire Heart and Dracul in particular stand out as superb combos for dwarves. Seeing as the dwarf is generally a niche race, I support leaving it listed as a good option here. --[[User:Darvin\|Darvin]] 15:54, 7 October 2014 (UTC)