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 The mana booster doesn't scale with levels as well as the other stuff, but it happens to change the math for any Pisorf spamming approach. The default total mana almost anyone who picks up all the mana boosters has is 13, and the Pisorf spammer wants to have 16 (4 casts of Pisorf). The thief has 14, and bumping this to 16 happens to be '''significantly easier''' than going from 13 to 16, almost trivial in comparison. This makes Thieves exceptionally good at spamming Pisorf.
-'''This trait DOES APPLY for extra gold, shops and glyphs.''' If your Bazaar is level 3 you will normally encounter 8 shops, so thieves encounter 10 shops. There are 10 gold piles, so thieves get 13 gold piles. There are 5 glyphs, so thieves get 6 glyphs. If you prepare extra glyphs, thieves get EIGHT GLYPHS instead. This trait does not apply on apothecaries, so you encounter normal 3 apothecaries even though if you prepare extra.
+'''This trait DOES APPLY for extra gold, shops, and glyphs.''' If your Bazaar is level 3, you will normally encounter 8 shops, so thieves encounter 10 shops. There are 10 gold piles, so thieves get 13 gold piles. There are 5 glyphs, so thieves get 6 glyphs. If you prepare extra glyphs, thieves get EIGHT GLYPHS instead. This trait does not apply on apothecaries, so you encounter the normal 3 apothecaries even if you prepare extra.
-{{a|SURVIVOR}}: - Health and Mana potions restore and additional +20% to the "other" attribute. This not only makes the potions stronger, but potions in general '''scale with level''' and stat boosts, and you get 1 more of each stat booster from Hoarder anyway.
+{{a|SURVIVOR}}: - Health and Mana potions restore an additional +20% to the "other" attribute. This not only makes the potions stronger, but potions in general '''scale with level''' and stat boosts, and you get 1 more of each stat booster from Hoarder anyway.
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 == Races ==
-What the Thief is looking for in a race is help leveling up in order to cash in on all the bonuses. Goblin, Orc, Halfling and Elf each play into this dynamic. Humans, Dvarwes and Gnomes, who themselves offer benefits once leveled up won't necessarily struggle, but won't necessarly handle as smoothly.
+What the Thief is looking for in a race is help leveling up in order to cash in on all the bonuses. Goblin, Orc, Halfling, and Elf each play into this dynamic. Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes, who themselves offer benefits once leveled up, won't necessarily struggle, but won't necessarily handle as smoothly.
 === Goblin ===
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 === Dwarf ===
-The {{DwTh}} is one of those combinations where both sides are payoff and there's no proper buildup to it. Thieves get deadly late, after they've explored and leveled up, and dwarves get deadly late after they've explored, leveled up - and converted stuff. Except if you convert stuff, which means glyphs, there is hardly anything for you to level up with. And if you overexplore there's nothing but dings to refill with.
+The {{DwTh}} is one of those combinations where both sides are payoff and there's no proper buildup to it. Thieves get deadly late, after they've explored and leveled up, and dwarves get deadly late after they've explored, leveled up,  and converted stuff. Except if you convert stuff, which means glyphs, there is hardly anything for you to level up with. And if you overexplore, there's nothing but dings to refill with.
 {{DwTh}} are still decent Pisorff users, and the god which provides the glyph also provides exploration opportunity and damage boosts which they really like. If you start out with Binlor, just wait until you're done with him before picking up permanent resistance. Alternatively, prep some mana and Burndayraz and use that to level up with Mystera - spam a glyph for her piety while you explore for junk to help you level up.

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 === Orc ===
-The {{OrTh}} has two things going for him. The first is that his CP bonus makes him very strong early on in a run, helping to level up. It also sinergizes with {{a|STABBER}} for popcorn munching. Thieves appreciate this a lot.
+The {{OrTh}} has two things going for him. The first is that his CP bonus makes him very strong early on in a run, helping to level up. It also synergizes with {{a|STABBER}} for popcorn munching. Thieves appreciate this a lot.
-The second thing is that the ease of dinging (Orc), the ease of refilling (Thief), and especially the extra mana booster from {{a|HOARDER}} makes the {{OrTh}} one of the easiest to roll out and effortlesly powerful Pisorff spammers in the game. Also one of the most powerful combinations in the game, period. With the right, rather light, prep setup he can be used to easily  pick up badges in Vicious dungeons.
+The second thing is that the ease of dinging (Orc), the ease of refilling (Thief), and especially the extra mana booster from {{a|HOARDER}} makes the {{OrTh}} one of the easiest to roll out and effortlessly powerful Pisorff spammers in the game. Also one of the most powerful combinations in the game, period. With the right, rather light, prep setup he can be used to easily pick up badges in Vicious dungeons.
 === Elf ===

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 Normally there are 3 of each booster and 3 of each potion in a dungeon run. This ability ups that count to 4. The effect of the potions and additional attack and health booster '''scale with your level''', in an impactful way. The fact that it turns the number of attack boosters from odd to even can alone mean an extra 10 damage, which is quite something.
-The mana booster doesn't scale with levels as well as the other stuff, but it happens to change the math for any Pisorff spamming approach. The default total mana almost anyone who picks up all the mana boosters has is 13, and the Pisorff spammer wants to have 16 (4 casts of Pisorff). The thief has 14, and bumping this to 16 happens to be '''significantly easier''' than going from 13 to 16, almost trivial in comparison. This makes Thieves exceptionally good at spamming Pisorff.
+The mana booster doesn't scale with levels as well as the other stuff, but it happens to change the math for any Pisorf spamming approach. The default total mana almost anyone who picks up all the mana boosters has is 13, and the Pisorf spammer wants to have 16 (4 casts of Pisorf). The thief has 14, and bumping this to 16 happens to be '''significantly easier''' than going from 13 to 16, almost trivial in comparison. This makes Thieves exceptionally good at spamming Pisorf.
-'''This trait DOES APPLY for extra gold, shops and glyphs.''' If your Bazaar is level 3 you will normally encounter 8 shops, so theives encounter 10 shops. There are 10 gold piles, so theives get 13 gold piles. There are 5 glyphs, so theives get 6 glyphs. If you prepare extra glyphs, theives get EIGHT GLYPHS instead. This trait does not apply on apothecaries, so you encounter normal 3 apothecaries even though if you prepare extra.
+'''This trait DOES APPLY for extra gold, shops and glyphs.''' If your Bazaar is level 3 you will normally encounter 8 shops, so thieves encounter 10 shops. There are 10 gold piles, so thieves get 13 gold piles. There are 5 glyphs, so thieves get 6 glyphs. If you prepare extra glyphs, thieves get EIGHT GLYPHS instead. This trait does not apply on apothecaries, so you encounter normal 3 apothecaries even though if you prepare extra.

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	The mana booster doesn't scale with levels as well as the other stuff, but it happens to change the math for any Pisorff spamming approach. The default total mana almost anyone who picks up all the mana boosters has is 13, and the Pisorff spammer wants to have 16 (4 casts of Pisorff). The thief has 14, and bumping this to 16 happens to be '''significantly easier''' than going from 13 to 16, almost trivial in comparison. This makes Thieves exceptionally good at spamming Pisorff.		The mana booster doesn't scale with levels as well as the other stuff, but it happens to change the math for any Pisorff spamming approach. The default total mana almost anyone who picks up all the mana boosters has is 13, and the Pisorff spammer wants to have 16 (4 casts of Pisorff). The thief has 14, and bumping this to 16 happens to be '''significantly easier''' than going from 13 to 16, almost trivial in comparison. This makes Thieves exceptionally good at spamming Pisorff.

−	This trait DOES APPLY for extra gold, shops and glyphs. If your Bazaar is level 3 you will normally encounter 8 shops, so theives encounter 10 shops. There are 10 gold piles, so theives get 13 gold piles. There are 5 glyphs, so theives get 6 glyphs. If you prepare extra glyphs, theives get ~~'''8 glyphs'''~~ instead. This trait does not apply on apothecaries, so you encounter normal 3 apothecaries even though if you prepare extra.	+	'''This trait DOES APPLY for extra gold, shops and glyphs.''' If your Bazaar is level 3 you will normally encounter 8 shops, so theives encounter 10 shops. There are 10 gold piles, so theives get 13 gold piles. There are 5 glyphs, so theives get 6 glyphs. If you prepare extra glyphs, theives get EIGHT GLYPHS instead. This trait does not apply on apothecaries, so you encounter normal 3 apothecaries even though if you prepare extra.

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 {{a|HOARDER}}: - This is the most complex and impactful ability, and impossible to evaluate without a bit of experience.
-Normally there are 3 of each booster and 3 of each potion in a dungeon run. This ability ups that count to 4. (Confirmation needed about any extra gold, shops and glyphs). The effect of the potions and additional attack and health booster '''scale with your level''', in an impactful way. The fact that it turns the number of attack boosters from odd to even can alone mean an extra 10 damage, which is quite something.
+Normally there are 3 of each booster and 3 of each potion in a dungeon run. This ability ups that count to 4. The effect of the potions and additional attack and health booster '''scale with your level''', in an impactful way. The fact that it turns the number of attack boosters from odd to even can alone mean an extra 10 damage, which is quite something.
 The mana booster doesn't scale with levels as well as the other stuff, but it happens to change the math for any Pisorff spamming approach. The default total mana almost anyone who picks up all the mana boosters has is 13, and the Pisorff spammer wants to have 16 (4 casts of Pisorff). The thief has 14, and bumping this to 16 happens to be '''significantly easier''' than going from 13 to 16, almost trivial in comparison. This makes Thieves exceptionally good at spamming Pisorff.
-{{a|SURVIVOR}}: - Potions restore and additional +20% to the "other" attribute. This not only makes the potions stronger, but potions in general '''scale with level''' and stat boosts, and you get 1 more of each stat booster from Hoarder anyway.
+This trait DOES APPLY for extra gold, shops and glyphs. If your Bazaar is level 3 you will normally encounter 8 shops, so theives encounter 10 shops. There are 10 gold piles, so theives get 13 gold piles. There are 5 glyphs, so theives get 6 glyphs. If you prepare extra glyphs, theives get '''8 glyphs''' instead. This trait does not apply on apothecaries, so you encounter normal 3 apothecaries even though if you prepare extra.

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 Most of the time you'll be looking to use both your bars, but it might pay off to invest into being able to land your big hits once your level is high enough that the bonus kicks in. A bit of health, damage resistance or keeping a first strike glyph around is probably a good idea. As far as damage glyphs go, Halpmeh, Cydstep and Fireball, along with slow of first strike are nice for you.
-You most likely want to start with a god that helps you fight early like Earthmother. The god you're looking to end up in is probably Tikki Tooki, as his potions let you get your naturally big melee hits in.
+You most likely want to start with a god that helps you fight early like Earthmother. The god you're looking to end up in is probably {{g|Tikki Tooki}}, as his {{boon|Reflexes}} let you get your naturally big melee hits in.
 == Strategy & Gods ==
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 - Alternatively, Magnet: Fireball + something to boost mana for a strong early hybrid approach.
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 |Name=Thief
 |ShortHand=Th
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 ;{{a|STABBER}}: Deals an extra 30% damage to enemies with full health

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 |SuggestedRaces=
 {{HaTh}}, {{GnTh}}
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 === Dwarf ===
-The {{DwTh}} is one of those combinations where both sides are payoff and there's no proper buildup to it. Thieves get deadly late, after they've explored and leveled up, and dwarves get deadly late after they've explored, leveled up - and converted stuff. Except if you convert stuff, which means glyphs, there is hardly anything for you to level up with. And if you overexplore there's nothing but dings to refill with. All that makes this combination a very challenging and somewhat unfortunate one.
+The {{DwTh}} is one of those combinations where both sides are payoff and there's no proper buildup to it. Thieves get deadly late, after they've explored and leveled up, and dwarves get deadly late after they've explored, leveled up - and converted stuff. Except if you convert stuff, which means glyphs, there is hardly anything for you to level up with. And if you overexplore there's nothing but dings to refill with.
-This doesn't mean it can't, or shouldn't be done! {{DwTh}} are still fine Pisorff users, and this can be leveraged as their early leveling up strategy, with the huge dwarven health pool and all the other Thief perks as the end game benefit. The Dwarf needs levels for his conversion benefits to kick in, so you're not in a rush to convert glyphs - use this to your advantage and get your levels! If you can level up while preserving your potions and popcorn, use that as fuel for the boss fight. You will need some damage, and some damage resistance, probably, but you can get there.
+{{DwTh}} are still decent Pisorff users, and the god which provides the glyph also provides exploration opportunity and damage boosts which they really like. If you start out with Binlor, just wait until you're done with him before picking up permanent resistance. Alternatively, prep some mana and Burndayraz and use that to level up with Mystera - spam a glyph for her piety while you explore for junk to help you level up.
 === Human ===

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 === Human ===
-The {{HuTh}} is a combination where both the class and the race really shine in the late game, but don't do that much for you early on in a run. The human bonus means that the Thief will eventually hit rather hard, as it scales with levels, and most of what the Thief brings to the table is also like that. But since the conversion bonus doesn't do that much for you early on, you're not in much of a rush to convert glyphs. Use them, and anything you can think of, to level up.
+The {{HuTh}} is a combination where both the class and the race really shine in the late game, but don't do that much for you early on in a run. The human bonus means that the Thief will eventually hit rather hard. Since the conversion bonus doesn't do that much for you early on, you're not in much of a rush to convert glyphs. Use them, and anything you can think of, to level up.
-With the Human Thief it's all about what you can do to get levels in an efficient manner. Your late game will consist of both spells and melee, but it might pay off to invest into being able to land your big hits once your level is high enough that the bonus kicks in. A bit of health, damage resistance or keeping a first strike glyph around is probably a good idea. It's quite similar to being a Dwarf, except more forgiving since the bonus is easier to leverage properly than the dwarf one.
+Most of the time you'll be looking to use both your bars, but it might pay off to invest into being able to land your big hits once your level is high enough that the bonus kicks in. A bit of health, damage resistance or keeping a first strike glyph around is probably a good idea. As far as damage glyphs go, Halpmeh, Cydstep and Fireball, along with slow of first strike are nice for you.
 == Strategy & Gods ==